From fairest creatures we desire

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Catherine's relationship with her husband is based on honesty and communication, not suspicion or a cuckoldry fetish. It's not likely to blow up, and if it did, it wouldn't involve you. So don't worry about that shrapnel.

If you're wooing a sexy woman in an open relationship, you won't score any points by insulting her primary partner. Catherine is forgiving, but she's also quite busy, and any marks against you make a big difference.

It was interesting to read this from your point of view.
I know zero about open relationships, but I do know that all relationships have risks. He seemed (from her description, he wasn't at the party) like a nice guy, but I'm a nice guy too and I can see me getting mad enough at my wife to call up her boyfriend's wife and, well, say some shit.

Maybe he's a better man than I am -- I guess it wouldn't be that hard.

The problem is, they do seem to be in love. I know that sounds superficially like a good thing, but a guy that is bored with his wife (bored enough to not care who she screws) is unlikely to go off the rails, do something crazy. This guy isn't that guy.

This guy is in love and love sucks. He might very well wake up tomorrow, panic, buy a gun, who knows.

I mean, I hope you're right (Catherine says the same thing) -- that he's fine with this, happy for her, all that. Doesn't mean I'm not worried.
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I like how you mention all the bad things that were happening to you and now they are looking up. I had almost forgotten how unlucky in sex and life you had become. I like the title of your book. You have more that just that coincidence going on I mean.. for living in a city you seem to always make or know people who know people. I can't wait to read more about this thing with Catherine don't get so worried about logistical stuff though... Carlton lives a good ways from the bern and he still makes it around to see me quite a bit. To sound cliche if there is a will (i'm assuming you have a will) there is a way. GOOD LICK
I sure have the will, but to use another cliché, it takes two to tango. I need her
to drive over here, or at least to ask me to visit over there.

And here's something weird: she doesn't like hotels. It's a sure bet she's not coming over to my house, but she says I can come over to her. Her husband
works out of the house, but apparently she can just explain it to him.

Again, maybe he's just a better man than I am, but if my wife asked me to step out for a few minutes so some dude could come over, when the dude arrived, I'd be in the driveway, with a baseball bat.

I've been kidding around about "better man", but I'm beginning to worry. I'm having a lot of trouble not projecting the jealousy I would feel on to him. Maybe I only feel jealousy (or would feel jealousy if I were in his situation) because I'm insecure, either about our relationship or about myself.

I just dunno. Everything is just so fucking new to me, I haven't go the slightest idea what to do.
You know the bullshit line about, "If you love something, set it free?" Yes, it makes me throw up in my mouth a little to say it, but it's kind of true.

It sounds like your relationship with your wife could be better. It seems like asking her to accept your extramarital activities while you wouldn't return the same is creating a conflict within you, as well as your marriage. Taking something you wouldn't freely give is selfish and shows a certain lack of respect for your spouse, or it makes you fear that she has a lack of respect for you.

If you can come to grips with why it might be OK for your wife to have a lover if she wanted, you can come to grips with why it might be OK for you, and stop blocking yourself. If you can't, maybe you need to focus more on her.
I was actually thinking this, or exactly the opposite -- that if the situation with my wife were reversed, I would be acting just as she is. I would tell her to go do whatever she needed to do and then come back to me, which is pretty much what she said to me.

Ariel and her husband are like that. Each goes out, does whatever, they come home, keep their mouths shut. (A big different being, I suspect, that for them, sharing the details would be merely distasteful, rather than painful, as it would be for me and my wife.)

Overall, it might be fair to say we are living in a careful constructed state of denial. Put that way, it sounds unhealthy, but I can't even imagine living any other way (Well, I can imagine one other way: some parallel universe where my wife wanted to have sex with me. Oh, and my cat could talk, that would be cool.)

And I am not blocking myself -- the only thing that's keeping me from driving over tonight to Catherine's house is the fact that she hasn't asked me.
The "don't ask, don't tell" policy sounds to me like building a wall between a couple.

I know you keep saying that your wife doesn't want to have sex with you, but didn't you just have sexy time with her after a party last week? Sounds like you really mean she doesn't want it as much as you.

If I were cheating on my wife, I'd make double sure she knew how important she was in my life. Every infidelity is a gift she's giving you, even if she doesn't know it, and she should be thanked profusely.
Yeah, but once every eight weeks -- seven times a year -- just isn't enough for me. Worse, she likes to drink a fair amount before sex. She swears it isn't a matter of self-medicating so she doesn't mind sex so much, but in any case, it makes her somnolent and unresponsive.

Plus, it is just sex, in bed, nothing else. No kissing, no making out on the couch, certainly no talking about sex. What happened with Catherine, heavy petting in a party, has never, ever happened with my wife.

I wish I could thank my wife for being so reasonable about the rest of it, but even if she wanted to hear it (she really, really doesn't) I can't think of how I would express that part without also giving voice to the very real reproach I feel for her making it necessary in the first place.

Eh, this is the bad part. I don't want to talk about the bad part, what's wrong in my life; I want to talk about what's right. Specifically, how pretty Catherine is, how sexy and how charming -- and of course, how much I hope to spend some more time with her.
Was your wife more fun when you first married? I bet she was.

Yeah, it is hard to be honest about problems without being hurtful, especially when they've festered for years.

When my partner does something I hate, I wait until she doesn't do it, then compliment her profusely. Positive reinforcement works! After your sexy time last week, did you go out of your way to treat her great?
Was your wife more fun when you first married? I bet she was.
She's a barrel of monkeys now, in most ways. She was more fun in the sack when we got married. The problem started when she got pregnant -- I figured it was temporary. Nope.

I feel sad saying it, but I wouldn't have married her knowing what I know now. I'm hoping that having a meaningful sex life will allow me to focus on the (many) positive aspects of my marriage.

When my partner does something I hate, I wait until she doesn't do it, then compliment her profusely.
Wow, mine would see through that like a pane of glass. She's very, very intuitive; the only reason I'm getting away with any of this is because she's letting me.

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